Is Hell Unjust?


I was sent this today and found it interesting. I like the idea of short apologetic messages.

I agree with what he is saying, but I wonder if we spend too much time on hell and not enough on the relationship with God. I get the need for apologetics as we all have questions at some point, but if we never move past the questions then we get stuck on trying to make the ways of God make sense to us, which it never will completely.

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12 responses to “Is Hell Unjust?

  1. Wow. That’s truly immoral… not to mention perverted: an eternal hell for not ‘loving’ god, because it’s an eternal sin.. according to god! Nice gig if you can get it.

    But I have really good reasons for not loving such a sick and twisted nut job who tortures people. For. Ever. And that’s my morality speaking – a morality superior in every way to this divine sadist. And according to this guy, this sadism shows a ‘just’ god, rendering the word the antithesis of justice. And that’s what apologetics does: makes white mean black and up mean down. Even someone of below average intelligence can plainly see that.

    But then, anyone who think WL Craig is a worthy source for reasonable justifications (as if his points haven’t been dismantled repeatedly and demonstrably shown to as immoral as anything that motivated Hitler or Stalin) needs to stop talking and start thinking… and perhaps reading.

    • xander

      What torture?

      • What word would you use to describe hell? A vacation hot spot?

      • Doesn’t that mean that a life sentence in prison would be considered torture?

      • Only if you believe the hell described in the video is equivalent to a set number of years spent in a prison. But that’s simply not the case, is it? You, at the very least, have some concept of eternal imprisonment, right? And how is that ongoing, never-ending, everlasting punishment morally justifiable for temporal ‘sin’?

        Come on, Xander. You’re trying to change the ground rules here that the committing of any temporal sin worthy of eternal punishment. That’s not just ethically obscene but morally bankrupt and you know it.

      • Your problem then is based on the “length of time” and not the concept of the punishment then?

        Have you ever sat in a dark room by yourself for a prolonged period of time? I have spoken to people who have been in solitary confinement and even though there was a limited time that they had to be isolated, the lack of external stimulation and human contact made it feel like an eternity to them.

      • The obvious problem with the notion of hell is that we know it is unjust to have a punishment that does not fit the crime. God – in regards to hell – is unjust and an insult to even basic human morality. Of course I have a problem with this, and so should you.

      • Our legal system today is full of punishments that do not fit the crime. I can be arrested and punished for threatening to kill the president but nothing happens if I threaten some random person. Would not that be considered unjust and an insult to human morality?

      • It’s the eternal yet corporeal torment and punishment for arbitrary ‘sins’ that reveals immorality. Why you have trouble addressing this aspect as if it is in any way equivalent to being held legally accountable for uttering threats is a mystery to me.

      • It looks like my last comment was lost.

        I don’t have trouble addressing it, but was wanting to get your take on the difference levels of punishment that are based on station or position rather than treating all people as equal.

        I do not like the thought of hell nor the idea of people spending anytime there let alone eternity there; That does not mean that it is not justice however.

        I did not set up the laws or the punishments that are around me today, yet i obey and respect them as they were setup by people in a higher position of authority than I. In my beliefs, God is the ultimate authority, so whether i like laws or punishments they are what they are. If i don’t want people to go to hell, then i need to do what i can to tell people how to avoid it.

  2. So settle it now! Resolve this today, at this moment, so that if tragedy were to strike, your eternity with God would be secure. I don’t know all the ways God is going to draw some good from this Aurora situation, but wouldn’t it be something if He were starting right now, with you personally, and using this message to bring you into His kingdom at this very moment? Let the pain of that tragedy open your heart to Christ. Let’s take what was intended for evil and watch God start creating something good from it.

  3. Start creating something good?

    Good grief.

    Linwood, if you had the ability to prevent a senseless tragedy that you knew was going to burden people with not just grief but much additional suffering of innocents, and decided not to intervene in the hope of finding some good from the terrible consequences you knew were about to happen to those you purportedly love, how would you feel about yourself? Would you feel you were doing the right thing?

    I wouldn’t.

    How can you justify the non intervention of your god who seems willing to allow all kinds of suffering to happen but fully prepared to condemn the guilty (as well as the real life suffering of involved parties) afterwords? To my human sense of morality, this stance is repugnant.

    Let me say that again: repugnant.

    I would hold humans to a higher moral standard on a day to day basis than you are willing to apply to your god for eternity! So what does that say about your sense of morality: does your faith-based belief improve or hinder the results of its exercise in this world?

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